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inkscape  17 meg
kivio     70 meg
dia        4 meg
10:06 < MartianLobster> I did a little howto, on creating figures for design documentation
10:06 < MartianLobster> http://acumenconsultinginc.net/TechNotes/cpp/erd.html
10:06 < MartianLobster> but my arrows aren't as good as these
10:06 < MartianLobster> http://quickfixengine.org/quickfix/doc/html/class_f_i_x_1_1_d_o_m_document.html
10:06 < MartianLobster> could someone tell me how to make the nice little arrows for diagrams?
10:12 < rubikcube> Oh, I think that your's are much prettier.  But would't you rather use more specialized 
                   programs like Inkscape, Dia or Kivio for that purpose?
10:14 < MartianLobster> rubikcube: I don't know those programs
10:15 < MartianLobster> lol you like my arrows?   the aren't perfectly symetrical, like Oren Miller's 
                        http://quickfixengine.org/quickfix/doc/html/class_f_i_x_1_1_d_o_m_document.html
10:15 < rubikcube> but that arrow has a nice 3d look

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10:15 < rubikcube> but that arrow has a nice 3d look
10:16 < MartianLobster> well I guess those three programs, are all open source, so I could download them
10:17 < MartianLobster> rubikcube: I guess I could just turn up the magnification, and make the arrows bye hand, 
                        like I did
10:18 < MartianLobster> lol, I have spent so much time learning gimp recently, I don't want to spend the time to 
                        learn another app
10:18 < MartianLobster> gimp is very versatile, I did all the graphis on my web site with gimp
10:18 < MartianLobster> http://acumenconsultinginc.net/RepairWindows.php
10:18 < MartianLobster> this is my favorite
10:19 < rubikcube> that's a good one!
10:19 < MartianLobster> :D
10:19 < rubikcube> and that's exactly what the gimp is for
10:19 < sylow> nice image MartianLobster
10:20 < MartianLobster> thanks  (blush)
10:20 < rubikcube> but with apps like Inkscape, you won't have to learn more than 5 minutes to draw perfect 
                   boxes with text and arrows :)
10:20 < MartianLobster> rubikcube: ok, I will check it out
10:20 < MartianLobster> rubikcube: can I do the little ovals also?
10:20 < rubikcube> but that image really is cool
10:20 < MartianLobster> in Inkscape?
10:20 < rubikcube> MartianLobster: http://www.inkscape.org
10:20 < rubikcube> sure
10:20 < MartianLobster> ok I will check it out
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10:27 < MartianLobster> I compared the sizes of the 3 programs
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10:27 < MartianLobster> inkscape  17 meg
10:27 < MartianLobster> kivio     70 meg
10:27 < MartianLobster> dia        4 meg
10:27 < MartianLobster> is there a big difference between the 3 programs?
10:27 < rubikcube> I haven't used kivio nor dia recently though
10:27 < rubikcube> inkscape is a general vector graphics editor which uses the svg format
10:28 < MartianLobster> svg format?  what is that?   can I make png files for display?
10:28 < MartianLobster> png files are the best, because they are so small and effecient, won't waste time when 
                        the user downloads the image
10:28 < rubikcube> dia (gnome) and kivio (kde) are closer to the windows program Visio, IIRC dia might be a bit 
                   old & underdeveloped by now
10:29 < rubikcube> sure you can
10:29 < rubikcube> you can export either the whole image or each ayer separately as png
10:29 < rubikcube> *layer
10:29 < MartianLobster> ok cool
10:30 < rubikcube> but you might want to discuss further details on #inkscape , I don't think it's very polite 
                   to do that here :)
10:30 < MartianLobster> lol ok